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1.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
Went to north central Nebraska to see if I could skewer a turkey.
Almost all of the Toms encountered were with hens and wouldn't commit to our calling.
On two occasions I shot at a Tom quartering away (26 and 34 yards) from me. Each time my arrow hit the wing butt and glanced off. This is the fourth time in my career this has happened. There's just no getting through that shoulder butt. An inch lower and it would have been a dead bird.
This is a Dave Smith breeding hen and an avian-x feeder hen. Sorry for the overexposed pic.
Posted this in Podunk so Luv2 would feel like he could cut loose...
Almost all of the Toms encountered were with hens and wouldn't commit to our calling.
On two occasions I shot at a Tom quartering away (26 and 34 yards) from me. Each time my arrow hit the wing butt and glanced off. This is the fourth time in my career this has happened. There's just no getting through that shoulder butt. An inch lower and it would have been a dead bird.
This is a Dave Smith breeding hen and an avian-x feeder hen. Sorry for the overexposed pic.
Posted this in Podunk so Luv2 would feel like he could cut loose...
2.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
3.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
Merry Christmas! :wink
That's one of my favorite sayings. Hadn't heard it in a while.
One of my others is "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride."
I've not had the wingbutt problem but I've heard of it. My aiming point on a broadside or quartering gobbler is the intersection of the imaginary lines drawn up through the leg and across from the top of the beard. After some trial and error, I can't think of any easier way to get a bead on the small vitals of a turkey.
I've always used some relatively aggressive broadhead for gobblers, meaning something that's not designed to thump them and THEN cut them, and nothing "designed" to stay in the bird, as far as I recall. One expandable broadhead I used had about an inch of ferrule before you got to the blade (I'd have to think too hard to remember the brand, but there is similar stuff out there today) and the point was cut like a Phillips-head screwdriver, so not exactly pointy. I killed one or two gobblers with it (distances were fairly close from a slow bow), but it was never my favorite. I liked it because it had a wide cut (scimitar-shaped curved blades).
That's one of my favorite sayings. Hadn't heard it in a while.
One of my others is "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride."
I've not had the wingbutt problem but I've heard of it. My aiming point on a broadside or quartering gobbler is the intersection of the imaginary lines drawn up through the leg and across from the top of the beard. After some trial and error, I can't think of any easier way to get a bead on the small vitals of a turkey.
I've always used some relatively aggressive broadhead for gobblers, meaning something that's not designed to thump them and THEN cut them, and nothing "designed" to stay in the bird, as far as I recall. One expandable broadhead I used had about an inch of ferrule before you got to the blade (I'd have to think too hard to remember the brand, but there is similar stuff out there today) and the point was cut like a Phillips-head screwdriver, so not exactly pointy. I killed one or two gobblers with it (distances were fairly close from a slow bow), but it was never my favorite. I liked it because it had a wide cut (scimitar-shaped curved blades).
4.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;31683]Merry Christmas! :wink
One of my others is "If wishes were horse, beggars would ride."[/QUOTE]
Where was this quote during the infamous horse thread?
One of my others is "If wishes were horse, beggars would ride."[/QUOTE]
Where was this quote during the infamous horse thread?
5.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
The broadhead I was using was a Magnus Stinger 4-blade, 125 grain. The arrow weight was around 460 grains, shooting around 67 pounds.
When a turkey is walking away from you don't have the option of putting it in the top edge of the spectrum.
When a turkey is walking away from you don't have the option of putting it in the top edge of the spectrum.
6.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
I did the same thing with a 2-blade stinger two years ago on a broadside bird. On that one I just shot too far forward and hit the wing butt. The arrow sailed about 60 yards into a neighboring field. Bird walked away and stood there for 5 minutes out of view. My buddy called it back and I killed it.
7.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
I'm not blaming the equipment just the operator. It was just put in the wrong spot. There is no broadhead on the planet going through that wingbutt.
8.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
[QUOTE=bluecat;31679]
Posted this in Podunk so Luv2 would feel like he could cut loose...[/QUOTE]
Luv2 would luv to build a highway right through that...:wink
Once, I hear he paved Paradise, and put up a parking lot...
:grin:
Posted this in Podunk so Luv2 would feel like he could cut loose...[/QUOTE]
Luv2 would luv to build a highway right through that...:wink
Once, I hear he paved Paradise, and put up a parking lot...
:grin:
9.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
LOL!
10.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
[QUOTE=bluecat;31684]Where was this quote during the infamous horse thread?[/QUOTE]
I was saving it...I have more. :wink
I was saving it...I have more. :wink
11.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
I am shooting 2-blade Stingers now on my back-up turkey bow, the one I used to use before I decided that bowhunting gobblers without a blind was near-insanity if you like to eat turkeys. :wink I still take the bow hunting when I don't feel like I've practiced with the heavier turkey bow enough (that one's a little rough on my shoulder unless I really ease into the practice routine with it). In fact, the "little bow" is in the Bronco right now. Mathews Q2.
53 pounds...I've lost track of the fps, LOL. But I could hold it back a fairly long time when hunting in the open. :-) Would have been better if it had a solid back wall, but back then I didn't know about solid back walls, LOL.
I guess we just all have to figure out how to keep gobblers from walking away from us. :-)
53 pounds...I've lost track of the fps, LOL. But I could hold it back a fairly long time when hunting in the open. :-) Would have been better if it had a solid back wall, but back then I didn't know about solid back walls, LOL.
I guess we just all have to figure out how to keep gobblers from walking away from us. :-)
12.) Wild Bob - 05/04/2015
Sorry to hear that it didn't go as hoped...but I'm glad you made it out hunting! :tu:
13.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
Thanks WB, it's one of those things where a turkey would have been icing on the cake but still had a great time.
Swampy, those Q2's were really nice bows. In fact, maybe one of the nicest ones they made IMHO.
Could you maybe find a pic of the line you are talking about on the turkey. I didn't really tell the whole story. I like to shoot a bird broadside on the upper side of the spectrum. These birds weren't coming any closer and started to walk away when I shot. I've shot a turkey like that before and it was dead instantly, but of course I dead centered the back as it was walking straight away. These had a slight quartering effect and well... you know.
The 35 yarder wouldn't come any closer because of me most likely. It was about 80 degrees in the blind and I was roasting. So I opened up the doors and windows to get some ventilation. Once I had a bird answer I would shut things up tight. This guy just appeared and I didn't feel like I could zip up the door. Later when I was standing next to the pile of feathers I looked back at the blind and saw that door flapping in the breeze. No wonder...
He was strutting and gobbling his ass off. Finally he turned to walk away and that's when I shot.
Swampy, those Q2's were really nice bows. In fact, maybe one of the nicest ones they made IMHO.
Could you maybe find a pic of the line you are talking about on the turkey. I didn't really tell the whole story. I like to shoot a bird broadside on the upper side of the spectrum. These birds weren't coming any closer and started to walk away when I shot. I've shot a turkey like that before and it was dead instantly, but of course I dead centered the back as it was walking straight away. These had a slight quartering effect and well... you know.
The 35 yarder wouldn't come any closer because of me most likely. It was about 80 degrees in the blind and I was roasting. So I opened up the doors and windows to get some ventilation. Once I had a bird answer I would shut things up tight. This guy just appeared and I didn't feel like I could zip up the door. Later when I was standing next to the pile of feathers I looked back at the blind and saw that door flapping in the breeze. No wonder...
He was strutting and gobbling his ass off. Finally he turned to walk away and that's when I shot.
14.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;31688]Luv2 would luv to build a highway right through that...:wink
Once, I hear he paved Paradise, and put up a parking lot...
:grin:[/QUOTE]
As long as there is black smoke and a dump truck, Luv2 would be pretty happy I'm guessing.
Once, I hear he paved Paradise, and put up a parking lot...
:grin:[/QUOTE]
As long as there is black smoke and a dump truck, Luv2 would be pretty happy I'm guessing.
15.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
I used to use the spectrum as an aiming reference but found I couldn't always see it well, so somewhere along the line I picked up the idea about the intersecting lines. If you look at some of the famous "aiming points on a turkey" pictures that are out there, you'll see what I mean, I think.
I will try to find one for you. I'm thinking a hard quarter that's still not enough to give you the back shot is still a little tough to estimate using this method, so I don't know how you solve that.
Let me see if I can dig up any pics of aiming dots, anyway. I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to draw the intersecting lines.
I will try to find one for you. I'm thinking a hard quarter that's still not enough to give you the back shot is still a little tough to estimate using this method, so I don't know how you solve that.
Let me see if I can dig up any pics of aiming dots, anyway. I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to draw the intersecting lines.
16.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
[QUOTE=bluecat;31697]Swampy, those Q2's were really nice bows. In fact, maybe one of the nicest ones they made IMHO.
[/QUOTE]
So nice, I bought one twice. :wink Still have both of them. The second one is the one I'm talking about, and unlike the first one, I bought it used. It was a mess out of the box. I had to flip the limbs and put a droop-away on it to get it to shoot decently. I had the people at Mathews stumped for a while when I was still trying to get it to shoot a Biscuit. Now it's a tack-driver. My first Q2 always was a death ray from the get-go. Weird thing about that one is it got a tiny bit louder when I went to 60 # limbs and turned it down to 57. It was dead quiet with 70's at 64. Go figure :re: [I]Thhumpp[/I]... That was a nice sound. I miss it a little.
Come to think about it, I need to get that rascal out and say something nice to it, and shoot it a little.:-)
[/QUOTE]
So nice, I bought one twice. :wink Still have both of them. The second one is the one I'm talking about, and unlike the first one, I bought it used. It was a mess out of the box. I had to flip the limbs and put a droop-away on it to get it to shoot decently. I had the people at Mathews stumped for a while when I was still trying to get it to shoot a Biscuit. Now it's a tack-driver. My first Q2 always was a death ray from the get-go. Weird thing about that one is it got a tiny bit louder when I went to 60 # limbs and turned it down to 57. It was dead quiet with 70's at 64. Go figure :re: [I]Thhumpp[/I]... That was a nice sound. I miss it a little.
Come to think about it, I need to get that rascal out and say something nice to it, and shoot it a little.:-)
17.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
From the archives:
18.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
19.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
20.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
21.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
Try these...I have some clearer/bigger ones on PhotoBucket, I think, but I don't feel like messing with them right now. Let me know if these are inadequate and I'll try to do better...:wink
It's probably not a whole lot different from what you're used to, but I found it easier to envision in the heat of the moment.
It's probably not a whole lot different from what you're used to, but I found it easier to envision in the heat of the moment.
22.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
LOL...There's some good stuff in the archives....:wink
I'd put that first shot you posted with the green dot up a little higher, myself.
Also, I've never liked the idea of shooting at a puffed-up gobbler broadside or quartering with a bow. All you're doing is guessing where everything is, in my opinion. I don't do it.
I'd put that first shot you posted with the green dot up a little higher, myself.
Also, I've never liked the idea of shooting at a puffed-up gobbler broadside or quartering with a bow. All you're doing is guessing where everything is, in my opinion. I don't do it.
23.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
Looks good! I agree on the strutting bird. Lots of air.
24.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;31701]So nice, I bought one twice. :wink Still have both of them. The second one is the one I'm talking about, and unlike the first one, I bought it used. It was a mess out of the box. I had to flip the limbs and put a droop-away on it to get it to shoot decently. I had the people at Mathews stumped for a while when I was still trying to get it to shoot a Biscuit. Now it's a tack-driver. My first Q2 always was a death ray from the get-go. Weird thing about that one is it got a tiny bit louder when I went to 60 # limbs and turned it down to 57. It was dead quiet with 70's at 64. Go figure :re: [I]Thhumpp[/I]... That was a nice sound. I miss it a little.
Come to think about it, I need to get that rascal out and say something nice to it, and shoot it a little.:-)[/QUOTE]
Had a friend that had the Q2-XL. Wish they still made that thing. Perfect size.
Come to think about it, I need to get that rascal out and say something nice to it, and shoot it a little.:-)[/QUOTE]
Had a friend that had the Q2-XL. Wish they still made that thing. Perfect size.
25.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
The Legacy is very similar to the Q2 if you ever see a screaming deal on one and there are no Q2s around. A tad smoother on the draw, it seems to me, but only by a hair. Similar speeds, if I recall. I bought one (again, used) when I was looking for something to fling aluminum arrows at hogs with, especially at night. So I bought heavier and rigged it with stuff I wouldn't put on a deer or turkey bow. It's in a slightly less radical configuration now compared to when I first started on that project, LOL, but still not for general use. :hb: Whenever that bow is in the shop, everybody loves it. :wink
26.) bluecat - 05/04/2015
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;31688]Luv2 would luv to build a highway right through that...:wink
Once, I hear he paved Paradise, and put up a parking lot...
:grin:[/QUOTE]
You don't know what you got till it's gone.
Once, I hear he paved Paradise, and put up a parking lot...
:grin:[/QUOTE]
You don't know what you got till it's gone.
27.) Swamp Fox - 05/04/2015
Well, as long as he's happy...
:wink
:wink