1.) Swamp Fox - 01/25/2017

This is significant, for transition from field point to broadheads.

Only available at this stage for the Dead Meat broadhead we discussed (or was posted, at least, LOL) a week or so ago.

I'm guessing G5 and others are waiting to see if this sells to determine whether they should pursue the idea for other BHs.

Also might indicate that the Dead Meat BH doesn't REALLY fly like a field point as the ads claim, unless you have a very special field point...or tune...or grip...or you're drunk. ---LOL


[QUOTE]The all new BMP is designed to mimic actual broadhead flight for unrivaled realism at the practice range, directly resulting in higher success in the field.

The BMP features the exact same weight distribution, size and aerodynamics of the all new Dead Meat broadhead, but it’s safe to use on any target.

In flight, the BMP matched the exact profile of the actual broadhead, creating a practice experience exactly like that of shooting an actual broadhead.

Never again wonder if your broadheads will shoot like your field points—prove it by tweaking your setup with the BMP and replace it with a Dead Meat broadhead when the season opens.

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2.) Triton Rich - 01/26/2017

[B]My guess is that any practice version of any broadhead will never be all that popular. They are usually somewhat expensive and don't accomplish anything that some fine tuning or, if you're a caveman, sight adjusting accomplishes.[/B]

3.) bluecat - 01/26/2017

[QUOTE=Triton Rich;46866][B]My guess is that any practice version of any broadhead will never be all that popular. They are usually somewhat expensive and don't accomplish anything that some fine tuning or, if you're a caveman, sight adjusting accomplishes.[/B][/QUOTE]

I agree. When the practice version is nothing more than the actual head without the sharpening process and costs as much or more, you have to wonder. I have some Stingers that have some pretty bad dings in the blade where they have hit fence. They are relegated to practice heads. They don't get sharpened so they are fairly dull now and serve to give me that little extra confidence that I'm tuned before hunting.

It seems that the concept of bareshaft tuning is getting a lot more momentum. If your arrow flies out to 'x' yards perfectly without any fletching, you are good to go with anything you could put on the front.

I'm going to be doing this a lot more and have not fletched some arrows for this purpose.

4.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2017

I'm mostly a fixed-blade guy, but I'd probably play with mechanicals more if 1) it weren't such a pain to keep the blades from opening after the shot (preservation of targets) and 2) it weren't such a pain to worry about keeping the blades from opening (preservation of mental health).

Maybe I make too big a deal of it, or am doing it wrong, LOL. I wrap dental floss around the blades, but that doesn't last forever and sometimes it doesn't work at all. I hate ruining rubber o-rings for practice. Maybe most people don't shoot their BHs in practice all that much, so it's not such a big deal for them.

I'd like to know what other tricks people are using to practice with their mechanicals.

5.) bluecat - 01/26/2017

I would just epoxy the blades shut. Would that work?

6.) bluecat - 01/26/2017

[QUOTE=Triton Rich;46866][B]My guess is that any practice version of any broadhead will never be all that popular. They are usually somewhat expensive and don't accomplish anything that some fine tuning or, if you're a caveman, sight adjusting accomplishes.[/B][/QUOTE]



I really don't think that was necessary.

7.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2017

I wondered about that. I expect it's too much added weight to be a great solution, though. I went through that same thought process regarding electrical tape. I actually weighed some a long time ago. I don't remember what I came up with, but I didn't pursue it. That might have been 'cause I just wasn't that interested in shooting that particular BH in real life. What I mean is, I was kinda seeing it on weekends; I didn't want to get married to it...LOL

Maybe I should revisit the idea now that I have a few mechs that I actually like.

8.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2017

Maybe I should try not slathering the epoxy on too heavy, too...LOL


But sometimes me and epoxy don't get along...

9.) bluecat - 01/26/2017

If your bareshaft flies true, it won't make any difference what you've got strapped to the front. It's not the head but the flight of the arrow.

10.) Triton Rich - 01/26/2017

[B]I generally keep various dull blades laying around and test out broadhead flight every year but actual practice is just field tips. Same with mechanicals. I shoot them a few times to make sure they fly well (never tried one that didn't) then back to field tips. [/B]

11.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2017

I never bought in to the idea that bareshaft tuning = perfect flight with just any old thing screwed to the front, but maybe that's because I've never tried it. I also think it's too much work---or at least way too anal for me---for what I've needed to be able to do with a bow.

I'm also not a bow-tuning fiend. I never really enjoyed it, and these days I'm not set up for it too well, either.

I'm open to discussing it more, though, kinda like there's a very small possibility I might eventually convince myself to let one of those creepy Google air fresheners in my house, maybe by sometime in the 2020s...

12.) Swamp Fox - 01/26/2017

[QUOTE=Triton Rich;46877][B]I generally keep various dull blades laying around and test out broadhead flight every year but actual practice is just field tips. Same with mechanicals. I shoot them a few times to make sure they fly well (never tried one that didn't) then back to field tips. [/B][/QUOTE]

For some reason, once I break the broadheads out, I tend to shoot them too much. Maybe it's a confidence thing. "Three shots isn't enough to really know"----that kinda thinking. It's very annoying, LOL.

13.) Triton Rich - 01/27/2017

[B]I am closer to a bow tuning fiend. I start out with bare shafts through paper and usually bare shaft tune from 20 yards later in the process. I believe bare shaft flight verifies that your dynamic spine is close. Of course, you can pretty much do that with a computer program these days (I use OnTarget). I also end up paper tuning with fletching and walk back tuning along the way. By the time I fly a broadhead, it's gonna hit pretty darn close to a field tip. It usually only takes a miniscule adjustment. I also know darn well that you can get by doing a paper tune then straight to broadhead tuning. It might not be perfect but you can certainly kill a deer out to 30 yards without a problem. I've noticed some pretty clear poor arrow flight recently on some hunting shows. One arrow in particular was obviously very crooked going in on a close shot but the deer were all still dead. [/B]

14.) Swamp Fox - 01/27/2017

I go as far as the walk-back, and that seems to have worked for me so far. I've not set up a bow to shoot at game past 50 yards, though I've played out farther.

Maybe I've been lucky, but I haven't had much of an issue with BH flight going back five or six set-ups doing this. I might restring one bow this year (or I might not) so maybe I'll give bareshaft a whirl for grins and giggles if you all think it will add something to my karma.

15.) Triton Rich - 01/27/2017

[B]One word of caution. Give yourself plenty of room! If you happen to have a little form break, the results can be spectacular. Where a fletched arrow may miss it's mark by several inches, a bare shaft miss can sometimes be measured in feet![/B]

16.) bluecat - 01/27/2017

Also, never shoot a broadhead with a bare shaft. It just isn't worth the risk.

17.) Swamp Fox - 01/27/2017

No worries. I have a rake dedicated to scratching in the leaves for arrows. The handle broke in two from over-use, though, so now when I think of shooting something I haven't dialed in all the way, I consider it a half-raked idea.

18.) bluecat - 01/27/2017

Boo, Hiss + 0.6

19.) Swamp Fox - 01/27/2017

Hey, it was worth what you paid for it...:-)


Besides, I'm just here to generate clicks...LOL

20.) bluecat - 01/27/2017

What, no bare shaft jokes? :wave:

21.) Triton Rich - 01/27/2017

[B]That reminds me of when I had a Rage broadhead that broke off of the arrow as the deer that it was stuck through ran off to die. Since it had no arrow attached, I couldn't find it on the snow covered ground. I went to a local resale shop looking for a metal detector. The only one they had was a childs Fisher Price model but only $15. I decided it was worth the gamble to find my $15 dollar broadhead. The silly little thing actually worked! The economics didn't work out though, the ferrule was bent so the Rage was trashed anyway. I have used the toy metal detector several other times though so I guess it was worth it.[/B]

22.) Swamp Fox - 01/27/2017

LOL...That's a pretty good idea. As you can imagine, there are arrows I've never found, though I had a pretty good idea where they buried themselves. If it would pick up a field point down to one inch or so in the soil, that might come in handy.

23.) Triton Rich - 01/27/2017

[B]Even my toy one will find stuff a few inches down. [/B]