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1.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
Gonna be close to 100 today, so I'm thinking about blowing this popsicle stand early and finding water. My goal in life these days is to beat the skiers to the lake by at least a couple of hours as often as I can.


From a recent NPR interview with an author affiliated with the animal-rights group, HSUS:

[I][/I]In his new book, What A Fish Knows: The Inner Lives Of Our Underwater Cousins, Balcombe presents evidence that fish have a conscious awareness or "sentience" that allows them to experience pain, recognize individual humans and have memory. He argues that humans should consider the moral implications of how we catch and farm fish.

[...]

[I]"There is one really curious example involving herrings that I can't resist mentioning. I think if you were to come up with a phrase that best captures it, at least a delicate phrase, "flatulent communication" would be perhaps the right phrase. They live in big schools and they omit gases from the anus in large numbers, and it makes a sound. And they appear to use this as a communication device to maybe signal to others that it's time we moved up or down in the water column, because it's that time of day when the predators are coming out and this sort of thing. The researchers who studied it use the more technical term "Frequent Repetitive Ticks," and I'll leave it to the listener to make an acronym out of that, which is quite appropriate to the behavior."


[/I]
2.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
That's nothing, liberals and progressives have been using farts as communication for years.

:co:
3.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
Edit function isn't working.

Here's the link to that summary and maybe the whole audio. Also, everything below "HSUS" is a quote from NPR, not me. Italics didn't take on the first paragraph, for some reason.

[url]http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/06/20/482468094/fish-have-feelings-too-the-inner-lives-of-our-underwater-cousins[/url]
4.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
I think they call it [B]D[/B]iagnostic [B]E[/B]xtrasensory [B]M[/B]obility.
5.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
"They live in big schools and they omit gases from the anus in large numbers, and it makes a sound."



Another reason buying a boat or a new bow might be a better investment than college...


Just based on what I'm seeing these days...:wink
6.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=bluecat;41855]I think they call it [B]D[/B]iagnostic [B]E[/B]xtrasensory [B]M[/B]obility.[/QUOTE]


Please explain. :-)
7.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
Sometimes they even sing "We shall overcome".
8.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=bluecat;41855]I think they call it [B]D[/B]iagnostic [B]E[/B]xtrasensory [B]M[/B]obility.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bluecat;41858]Sometimes they even sing "We shall overcome".[/QUOTE]

Okay, I finally got it...LOL
9.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
John Lewis ought to know what a real civil rights violation looks like...But then again ...


I get a kick out of politicians who say they won't be silenced...:re:
10.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
Didn't you have a thread on best products to kill frequent repetitive ticks?
11.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
One thing I've never thought about fish was that they were my cousins.


Although this puts a new twist on the family reunion. You walk up to Cousin Doris and say, "Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it!" See if she gets it.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_(mythology)[/url]


I guess this also puts the kibosh on dating outside your species. If dating your cousin is out, I guess dating a fish would be a fin-wiggle too far, as well. Although, there ARE plenty of fish in the sea...

[url]https://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts6915443.aspx[/url]
12.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=bluecat;41861]Didn't you have a thread on best products to kill frequent repetitive ticks?[/QUOTE]


Yes, but this type of tick is somewhat resistant. Better to use JB's FART Baffler, or in the case of DEM FRTs, mockery.
13.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
What, no watery tarts available?
14.) DParker - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41852]In his new book, What A Fish Knows: The Inner Lives Of Our Underwater Cousins, Balcombe presents evidence that fish have a conscious awareness — or "sentience" — that allows them to [B]experience pain[/B], [B]recognize individual humans[/B] and [B]have memory[/B].[/quote]

Never mind that none of those things, either individually or in combination, are indicators of sentience, nor is sentience required for them.

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41852][I]"There is one really curious example involving herrings that I can't resist mentioning. I think if you were to come up with a phrase that best captures it, at least a delicate phrase, "flatulent communication" would be perhaps the right phrase. They live in big schools and they omit gases from the anus in large numbers, and it makes a sound. [B]And they appear to use this as a communication device to maybe signal to others that it's time we moved up or down in the water column, because it's that time of day when the predators are coming out and this sort of thing.[/B] The researchers who studied it use the more technical term "Frequent Repetitive Ticks," and I'll leave it to the listener to make an acronym out of that, which is quite appropriate to the behavior."[/I][/QUOTE]

Yeah...or they're just signaling that they have gas. :re:
15.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41864]Yes, but this type of tick is somewhat resistant. Better to use JB's FART Baffler, or in the case of DEM FRTs, mockery.[/QUOTE]

You are assuming they are smart enough to understand the mocking content though, so maybe not.
16.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41862]One thing I've never thought about fish was that they were my cousins.


Although this puts a new twist on the family reunion. You walk up to Cousin Doris and say, "Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it!" See if she gets it.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_(mythology)[/url]


I guess this also puts the kibosh on dating outside your species. If dating your cousin is out, I guess dating a fish would be a fin-wiggle too far, as well. Although, there ARE plenty of fish in the sea...

[url]https://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts6915443.aspx[/url][/QUOTE]

Vestigial gill slits are kinda sexy.
17.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=DParker;41868]Never mind that none of those things, either individually or in combination, are indicators of sentience, nor is sentience required for them.



[/QUOTE]


Correctomundo. But I'm not sure "they" or even he base(s) the definition of sentience on that. I'm sure some do, but I'd have to go back and read the transcript to see if that's what he's proposing. I caught the interview on air about half-way through, so I draw no conclusions from that.

What is important is that this vague concept that they call sentience has now become the red line.

Balcombe is a vegan, though, so at least he has that going for him, which is nice.


I've said for a while though: These people are going to be in trouble when someone decides that plants feel pain, and we're not all that far away from that point even now.
18.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
What a cruel twist of fate. Fish who are deemed capable of feeling pain have poorly developed nervous systems. Seems almost unfair don't you think?
19.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=bluecat;41866]What, no watery tarts available?[/QUOTE]


I might bring the big binoculars with me aboard my little boat today. Priorities.

I know it's not the weekend, but still...:wink
20.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41875]I might bring the big binoculars with me aboard my little boat today. Priorities.

I know it's not the weekend, but still...:wink[/QUOTE]

You might want to rethink your outing Swampy, nothing worse than have a little dinghy.
21.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=bluecat;41872]Vestigial gill slits are kinda sexy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bluecat;41874]What a cruel twist of fate. Fish who are deemed capable of feeling pain have poorly developed nervous systems. Seems almost unfair don't you think?[/QUOTE]


:p.....
22.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=bluecat;41876]You might want to rethink your outing Swampy, nothing worse than have a little dinghy.


[/QUOTE]

LOL


I guess I shouldn't admit that my little dingy can go places other people can't...
23.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
Yeah, yeah, motion of the ocean and all that... :wave:
24.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41852]... My goal in life these days is to beat the skiers to the lake by at least a couple of hours as often as I can.


[/QUOTE]



In the video game [I]Hungry Sharks[/I], you get 500 points for eating a jet-skier.

Stupid gamers. It should be at least 10,000.

I wonder if they have water-skiers. That would be cool.



[I]Wikia[/I] sez: [I]The human riding the Jetski is known to always say, "Yeehaw! Yeehaw!" or "Woohoo!" as he rides. [/I]

That sounds about right. This new realism in these games amazes me.


25.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
Jetski? Polish? Racism?
26.) DParker - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41873]Correctomundo. But I'm not sure "they" or even he base(s) the definition of sentience on that. I'm sure some do, but I'd have to go back and read the transcript to see if that's what he's proposing. I caught the interview on air about half-way through, so I draw no conclusions from that.[/QUOTE]

Well, when he said that sentience is what "allows them to" do those things it's a pretty direct statement that he's crediting those abilities to sentience. Whether that's what he [I]meant[/I] to say, I wouldn't know.
27.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
Boris Jetski is a mile up the lake boating while drunk, while his wife Natasha throws a big wake at me, trying to figure out the throttle.
28.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41878]LOL


I guess I shouldn't admit that my little dingy can go places other people can't...[/QUOTE]

Can't or won't?
29.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
Now I have to google sentience. You guys...
30.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
Let's go with "can't".... :wink LMAO
31.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=bluecat;41885]Now I have to google sentience. You guys...[/QUOTE]

It's a low bar. Basically anything with a face, these days.

I think Jack-o'-Lanterns and cantaloupes are still considered non-sentient, though. But I could be wrong.
32.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
Jack-o-Lanterns? You know that's sexist right?

Person-o-Lanterns
33.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
...and cantaloupes are really just loupe challenged.
34.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41852]Gonna be close to 100 today, so I'm thinking about blowing this popsicle stand early and finding water. My goal in life these days is to beat the skiers to the lake by at least a couple of hours as often as I can.


From a recent NPR interview with an author affiliated with the animal-rights group, HSUS:

[I][/I]In his new book, What A Fish Knows: The Inner Lives Of Our Underwater Cousins, Balcombe presents evidence that fish have a conscious awareness or "sentience" that allows them to experience pain, recognize individual humans and have memory. He argues that humans should consider the moral implications of how we catch and farm fish.

[...]

[I]"There is one really curious example involving herrings that I can't resist mentioning. I think if you were to come up with a phrase that best captures it, at least a delicate phrase, "flatulent communication" would be perhaps the right phrase. They live in big schools and they omit gases from the anus in large numbers, and it makes a sound. And they appear to use this as a communication device to maybe signal to others that it's time we moved up or down in the water column, because it's that time of day when the predators are coming out and this sort of thing. The researchers who studied it use the more technical term "Frequent Repetitive Ticks," and I'll leave it to the listener to make an acronym out of that, which is quite appropriate to the behavior."


[/I][/QUOTE]

The good news in all of this, is the male teenagers that have sleepovers in their parents basements can't light the dems on fire.
35.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
Sentient:




Non-sentient (for now):

36.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
:laugh:

Okay, now I understand.
37.) DParker - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41891]Sentient:

[/QUOTE]

Which one?
38.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
By the way, that is the worst-looking jackalope mount I have ever seen. The ears look funny. I'm starting to question the whole thing...
39.) bluecat - 06/23/2016


sentient?
40.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=DParker;41893]Which one?[/QUOTE]

LOL

:-)
41.) bluecat - 06/23/2016


sentient?
42.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
Aaach! My eyes!

Make it go away!


Wipe it with a cloth or something...LOL
43.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41856]NPR sez: "They live in big schools and they omit gases from the anus in large numbers, and it makes a sound." [/QUOTE]



Here's another example of technology making your brain mushy...Copy/pasting errors without seeing them.

Took me four hours to spot it, LOL.

Someone tell the college intern in charge of transcription (probably from Duke) that "omit" means one thing, "emit" another.

One is good in this case, and one is bad...but I don't want to be, like, all judgey and stuff...That would be bad...
44.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
....
45.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41900]Here's another example of technology making your brain mushy...Copy/pasting errors without seeing them.

Took me four hours to spot it, LOL.

Someone tell the college intern in charge of transcription (probably from Duke) that "omit" means one thing, "emit" another.

One is good in this case, and one is bad...but I don't want to be, like, all judgey and stuff...That would be bad...[/QUOTE]

Missed that.


Back from your herring run?
46.) DParker - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=bluecat;41902]Missed that.


Back from your herring run?[/QUOTE]

If it was productive then he won't need a new machete anymore.

[video=youtube;2DopGxUAoAY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DopGxUAoAY[/video]
47.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
LOL...


No, I haven't left yet. I might chicken out. It's dead calm, hotter than normal (though now the temp has dropped) and it just feels like lightning to me. They've just changed the forecast and it's worse than it was this morning. I can see it getting a little hairy. Buc-buc-buckaw...


Lightning is right up there with heart disease and cancer as one of the ways I don't want to go out. If I go tomorrow, I might get wet but I think I have a better chance of avoiding a bad storm.



48.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
"Um that's enough clucking for now sire"...
49.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
LOL...It doesn't look too bad outside right now, but I can hear thunder off a ways...


"Just passing through..."

The weather graph for this evening has changed again, in my favor :bang:, but I've already talked myself into tomorrow being the better day to fish...But it will be wetter.
50.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
.....
51.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
My luck with weather forecasting:


"I don't think the heavy stuff's gonna come down for quite a while."---LOL



52.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
LOL,

Rat fart!
53.) bluecat - 06/23/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41891]Sentient:


[/QUOTE]

Obviously a doctored photo. A buck that old would have more gray in his muzzle.
54.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
Do you remember the record buck killed in Ohio (?) with a bow about 10-15 years ago---I think it's the Rompola buck (?)---The guy wouldn't have it scored or entered in the books or something, and lots of people claimed photoshop because " the ears look funny." I never know how many people get it when I make that joke...:beer:
55.) Swamp Fox - 06/23/2016
BTW, I chose correctly for once today...We're getting a good soaking and are under a tornado warning, LOL...
56.) bluecat - 06/24/2016
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;41913]Do you remember the record buck killed in Ohio (?) with a bow about 10-15 years ago---I think it's the Rompola buck (?)---The guy wouldn't have it scored or entered in the books or something, and lots of people claimed photoshop because " the ears look funny." I never know how many people get it when I make that joke...:beer:[/QUOTE]

I recognized that deer immediately however, I didn't catch the clever ear comment. Did that whole thing ever get solved? Seems the last I heard, he wouldn't subject it to x-rays which is pretty telling right there.
57.) bluecat - 06/24/2016
fyi, all my deer are x-rayable.