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1.) Swamp Fox - 02/18/2020
For when --- among other reasons--- going into the woods is just too much.

This little doo-hickey supposedly converts a conventional trail cam into a transmitting unit. I think they've upgraded their technology in response to previous fails, so I'm interested to see what happens.



[url]https://www.spypoint.com/en/products/cell-link[/url]
2.) Jon - 02/20/2020
I just replaced an old Covert with 2 new Spypoint el cheapo cellular cams, I found them on sale for $99 a piece with free shipping. Been running them for 2 months without any trouble. They do have poor customer service so if something goes wrong, it might be a problem. No issues yet with mine and they take decent quality pictures.
3.) luv2bowhunt - 02/20/2020
That looks pretty cool. Problem where I hunt is, there is basically no cell service.

I've been thinking of getting a cheap Spypoint to replace my Bushnell that got stolen this year. Spypoints do real well in the tests done by Trail Camera Pros.


...but who really no's all this stuff anyway.:wave:
4.) Swamp Fox - 02/22/2020
:-) :tu: :wave:

Some cell carriers are better than others in rural areas. "Mountains" (lol :wink) are still an issue, I think.

I wonder if you had several places you could hunt in remote locations, would it be a better hunt if you had some wireless evidence ahead of time for which stand to choose, or if you just chose one on your own?

Y'all post your thoughtful/hateful comments in the box below:


5.) luv2bowhunt - 02/22/2020
There is no substitute for boots on the ground scouting. Trail cameras will never change that.
6.) DParker - 02/22/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60074]https://www.youtube.com/embed/vLixhw9Y1s4[/QUOTE]

I listened to that whole thing and he never did explain how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;60079]There is no substitute for boots on the ground scouting. Trail cameras will never change that.[/QUOTE]

"Boots on the ground, boots on the ground. Lookin' like a [I]fool[/I] with your boots on the ground."



But seriously...

While I agree that there's no replacing spending time checking things out in-person, I can see this being a useful additional tool...especially when physically visiting the areas you hunt represents an hour-and-a-half round-trip drive.
7.) Swamp Fox - 02/23/2020
[QUOTE=DParker;60080]I listened to that whole thing and he never did explain how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
[/QUOTE]

I thought the electronic keyboard added a nice 12th century touch though, don't you?

This new learning amazes me.
8.) Swamp Fox - 02/23/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60074]

I wonder if you had several places you could hunt in remote locations, would it be a better hunt if you had some wireless evidence ahead of time for which stand to choose, or if you just chose one on your own?
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;60079]There is no substitute for boots on the ground scouting. Trail cameras will never change that.[/QUOTE]

A "better hunt" vs. a "more successful" hunt is one item for discussion. :wink

I think in some ways trail cameras *have* substituted for boots on the ground, and I think there probably are some situations where walking some tracts isn't going to yield much useful info that you couldn't get otherwise. Some land is just flat-out easier to figger than other areas.

I think there's a whole generation of hunters out there (and really more than one) that thinks scouting is a combination of watching fields and powerlines and checking which corn pile is getting hit the most, and reckons that using trail cameras is taking a deep dive into the world of the elusive whitetail .... LOL
9.) Swamp Fox - 02/23/2020
[QUOTE=DParker;60080]
But seriously...

While I agree that there's no replacing spending time checking things out in-person, I can see this being a useful additional tool...especially when physically visiting the areas you hunt represents an hour-and-a-half round-trip drive.[/QUOTE]

This hits the nail on the head. Not only is it fun to see what's going on on your "property" between visits, but it inevitably leads to making decisions based on the digital feedback.

I guess the question I have is does it take some of the fun/mystery/skill/magic/accomplishment out of the old [I]"Which stand should I hunt?"[/I] process? --- which I'm not sure you can separate from the whole concept of *hunting* to begin with.
10.) luv2bowhunt - 02/24/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60082]I think in some ways trail cameras *have* substituted for boots on the ground, and I think there probably are some situations where walking some tracts isn't going to yield much useful info that you couldn't get otherwise. Some land is just flat-out easier to figger than other areas.[/QUOTE]


I guess it really depends on what type of hunting we're talking about and what kind of hunting pressure. I've been using trail cameras now for at least 20 years on public land, hunting pressured deer. Mature bucks on pressured land are a completely different animal to hunt than the younger deer. I've learned they are masters at avoiding trail cameras especially if they sense continuous human presence.

I've got pics of bucks who show up once, smelled where I came in or out, and never got their picture taken again. They still lived there, just avoided my camera. I watched a video from Shane Simpson on Youtube where he is tracking a buck with his dog, and the wounded buck is walking down a deer trail and 3 times he moves behind trail cameras that the land owner had out. Obviously he had learned to avoid the area the cameras were in, probably because he smelled people there too often.

Older deer can easily learn to avoid the cameras if they know they are there. What an older buck can't do is hide the sign he's leaving everyday, droppings, tracks, beds, rubs, and scrapes. So I'm not sure how walking the area "isn't going to yield much useful info". They can't hide the evidence where they're living.

I'll take scouting trips over cameras every time. I can scout a new area and in a few hours I can tell whether or not there's enough deer sign to put more time into that spot. Not sure how you do that without a whole fleet of cameras and even then you just don't know if they're walking behind or beside them.
11.) luv2bowhunt - 02/24/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60083]I guess the question I have is does it take some of the fun/mystery/skill/magic/accomplishment out of the old [I]"Which stand should I hunt?"[/I] process? --- which I'm not sure you can separate from the whole concept of *hunting* to begin with.[/QUOTE]

I've heard that argument before and never bought into it. For me cameras add to the mystery, not detract from it. The real mystery for me where I'm hunting is, why can I get pics of these 3 1/2 - 4 1/2 yr old bucks but can rarely ever see them when I'm hunting in these spots.

Cameras do not make it a slam dunk. Usually when I shoot one I never had a picture of him prior.
12.) Jon - 02/24/2020
Trail cams will never be a replacement for boots on the ground HOWEVER, trailcams are very beneficial when you can use them in addition to boots on the ground. Using them can keep you from walking into an area over and over thus stinking the area up.
In that instance, it can be better than boots on the ground.
13.) luv2bowhunt - 02/24/2020
I agree, especially if cell cams worked in your area. I don't think they would where I'm hunting. I used to use cameras to take inventory of what is out there, but I've abandoned that. I realize now that July-Sept. pics mean almost nothing where I'm hunting. 80% of the bucks I get pics of then disperse to parts unknown once late Sept. comes. I'll never get another picture of those bucks until I pull the cameras.

Now I just use the cameras to monitor trails right before and during the season, especially trails coming in and out of bedding areas. If I get daylight pics of bucks using trails I know I'm not far from where they're bedding and I should be in the game with them.
14.) Swamp Fox - 02/24/2020
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;60087]I guess it really depends on what type of hunting we're talking about and what kind of hunting pressure. I've been using trail cameras now for at least 20 years on public land, hunting pressured deer. Mature bucks on pressured land are a completely different animal to hunt than the younger deer. I've learned they are masters at avoiding trail cameras especially if they sense continuous human presence.

I've got pics of bucks who show up once, smelled where I came in or out, and never got their picture taken again. They still lived there, just avoided my camera. I watched a video from Shane Simpson on Youtube where he is tracking a buck with his dog, and the wounded buck is walking down a deer trail and 3 times he moves behind trail cameras that the land owner had out. Obviously he had learned to avoid the area the cameras were in, probably because he smelled people there too often.

Older deer can easily learn to avoid the cameras if they know they are there. What an older buck can't do is hide the sign he's leaving everyday, droppings, tracks, beds, rubs, and scrapes. So I'm not sure how walking the area "isn't going to yield much useful info". They can't hide the evidence where they're living.

I'll take scouting trips over cameras every time. I can scout a new area and in a few hours I can tell whether or not there's enough deer sign to put more time into that spot. Not sure how you do that without a whole fleet of cameras and even then you just don't know if they're walking behind or beside them.[/QUOTE]

I have had the same experience with One-Shot Bambi, and of course seeing bucks that never got on camera. But since scouting is more than just measuring deer populations and peeking at the potential for worthy individuals, the question is whether trail cameras have substituted for scouting[I] in general[/I].

[I'm not stating whether they should or can. Just wondering whether they [I]have[/I].]

Why can't I place my camera on a spot I found on a topo map, evaluate my pics, and tell everyone I've scouted the area all new school?

Prolly can do six minutes on that from my basement for my Youtube channel.

Be sure to like and subscribe, and I want to thank my sponsors.
15.) Swamp Fox - 02/27/2020
Two days ago ...

Was that too harsh?


LOL
16.) bluecat - 02/27/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60092]I have had the same experience with One-Shot Bambi, and of course seeing bucks that never got on camera. But since scouting is more than just measuring deer populations and peeking at the potential for worthy individuals, the question is whether trail cameras have substituted for scouting[I] in general[/I].

[I'm not stating whether they should or can. Just wondering whether they [I]have[/I].]

Why can't I place my camera on a spot I found on a topo map, evaluate my pics, and tell everyone I've scouted the area all new school?

Prolly can do six minutes on that from my basement for my Youtube channel.

Be sure to like and subscribe, and I want to thank my sponsors.[/QUOTE]

bluecat 'liked' this

My whole cell cam, solunar table, Outdoor Life's best deer days, moon phases, tea leaves, Drury Brother's articles is this:

I love to hunt. I will hunt regardless of any of these things. I will enjoy myself regardless of any of these things. At the very worst, I have some great memories. At the very best, I'm eating jerky.
17.) bluecat - 02/27/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60110]Two days ago ...

Was that too harsh?


LOL[/QUOTE]

:ach:
18.) Swamp Fox - 02/27/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;60113]bluecat 'liked' this

My whole cell cam, solunar table, Outdoor Life's best deer days, moon phases, tea leaves, Drury Brother's articles is this:

I love to hunt. I will hunt regardless of any of these things. I will enjoy myself regardless of any of these things. At the very worst, I have some great memories. At the very best, I'm eating jerky.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60110]Two days ago ...

Was that too harsh?


LOL[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=bluecat;60117]:ach:[/QUOTE]


LOL ... +10


:grin:
19.) crookedeye - 03/01/2020
This isn't Vietnam. Boots on the ground? A lot of guys on hill 68 had to make a decision that night..plus the drury brothers never have to put boots on the ground, they had game cameras...they been killings big bucks over 150 clans for years..give them there do respect
20.) luv2bowhunt - 03/02/2020
I have always given the Drury brothers "there do respect".

They have 5,000 acre private posted farms in fantasy land states that they manage 100% to grow big deer for TV shows. I respect how much money they must have. I respect how they have marketed and sold themselves out to make a $. I respect that they make calls that sound pretty much like the game species they are trying to imitate.

I have no respect for the hunting 'skill' it takes to harvest a 150" buck on one of their posted, private, exclusive, trophy managed game farms.

The luv2/Drury challenge still stands. Anytime they feel man enough I'm still here...........waiting.:wave:


I got their Dream Season right here (grabbing motion).
21.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=crookedeye;60142]...they been killings big bucks over 150 clans for years..give them there do respect[/QUOTE]

Clans?

C.L.A.N.S.?

Cubic Linear Alternate Nebraska System?

Clams?

As in, "If you kill a deer over 200 clams, Cabela's will pay you pretty good bucks to put it in one of their stores"?

Claps?

Claks?

Clax?

Clabs?


:cf::co::p
22.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;60143]I have always given the Drury brothers "there do respect".

They have 5,000 acre private posted farms in fantasy land states that they manage 100% to grow big deer for TV shows. I respect how much money they must have. I respect how they have marketed and sold themselves out to make a $. I respect that they make calls that sound pretty much like the game species they are trying to imitate.

I have no respect for the hunting 'skill' it takes to harvest a 150" buck on one of their posted, private, exclusive, trophy managed game farms.

The luv2/Drury challenge still stands. Anytime they feel man enough I'm still here...........waiting.:wave:


I got their Dream Season right here (grabbing motion).[/QUOTE]


LOL ... :wave:
23.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;60091]I agree, especially if cell cams worked in your area. I don't think they would where I'm hunting. I used to use cameras to take inventory of what is out there, but I've abandoned that. I realize now that July-Sept. pics mean almost nothing where I'm hunting. 80% of the bucks I get pics of then disperse to parts unknown once late Sept. comes. I'll never get another picture of those bucks until I pull the cameras.

Now I just use the cameras to monitor trails right before and during the season, especially trails coming in and out of bedding areas. If I get daylight pics of bucks using trails I know I'm not far from where they're bedding and I should be in the game with them.[/QUOTE]


Option A:

You check your trail camera the old-fashioned way by going in and pulling the card. You discover that you have daylight pics of a nice buck and you move in that day or the day after and kill him.

Apparently your intrusion to the woods to check the card went unnoticed or disregarded, whether by luck or skill or a combination of the two.

Option B:

Ding! The bell goes off: You've got mail! You check your cell phone which is always on and always with you. Pics! There's a nice buck visiting the Monster Stand at 8 in the morning or 4 in the afternoon. You climb down out of the Rockin' Chair Stand (so-called because even though you never see anything from it, you always want to sit there because it's so comfy) or you struggle up out of the couch and make the necessary moves toward the jackpot. That afternoon, or the next morning, you kill the buck.

Apparently technology is awesome, and your ability to stay on the cutting edge and slay elusive whitetails won't go unnoticed when you post the pictures to Facebook.

++++

Comments, questions, complaints? --- LOL


:pop:
24.) luv2bowhunt - 03/02/2020
From what I understand of the 'clear as mud' game laws in Pa, Option B would be illegal here if you're checking your cell cam on your phone while you're out deer hunting. You can't have an electronic device giving you 'real time' photos while you're hunting in that area.

Nothing wrong with Option A, although that never has happened to me. I don't really make a habit of checking cameras during the season unless they are located right at the stands I am hunting. I check cameras at the end of season and learn where I should have been hunting during the season. Hopefully that info helps me the next season. I'ts worked the last 2 seasons anyway.

Nothing but pure wisdom and honesty on Facebook, that's the go to place for gaining hunting insight.

25.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;60148]From what I understand of the 'clear as mud' game laws in Pa, Option B would be illegal here if you're checking your cell cam on your phone while you're out deer hunting. You can't have an electronic device giving you 'real time' photos while you're hunting in that area.

Nothing wrong with Option A, although that never has happened to me. I don't really make a habit of checking cameras during the season unless they are located right at the stands I am hunting. I check cameras at the end of season and learn where I should have been hunting during the season. Hopefully that info helps me the next season. I'ts worked the last 2 seasons anyway.

Nothing but pure wisdom and honesty on Facebook, that's the go to place for gaining hunting insight.

[/QUOTE]

LOL ... +7 for the meme ...

(That's a very good score, BTW, in case occasional visitors are unfamiliar with our points system .... LOL.)


I don't have any problem with Option A, though it takes a lot of restraint not to check cameras during the season, especially if you are already in the general area. I, too, try not to go out of my way to check a camera, though I do think a mid-day check that otherwise doesn't disturb an area does little harm on deer that won't
appear there for five or six hours.

I doubt there are many instances of people killing deer within a day of getting their first shots on camera under Option A, but my guess is that there will be more under Option B.


I have heard of "no monitoring" regs. Didn't think of them while I was posting. Are they fairly common? Unless I've missed something, I don't deal with them. (But we have a a lot more rules and twists than we used to ... I keep having to read the book, LOL.)
26.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
I would occasionally swing by a camera or two on my way out of an area at night, especially if I hadn't checked in for a while. That's probably a little more harmful than doing it mid-day, but it depends on the area. Considering that I wouldn't do it if I thought I was hunting the area within a day or two, I thought the risk was low, but it would be ideal to skip the trip altogether.
27.) luv2bowhunt - 03/02/2020
Maybe you could email the Drury's, they could tell you what to do.

I've been using my cameras to make a log of daytime buck movement at certain stands, or potential stand areas. This year will be year 3 of the project, and the info has been useful. 2018 was showing alot of daytime buck activity between Nov. 1- Nov. 10 at a spot I call the scrape trail. Knowing that, I put a good bit of time in at that spot (mostly evenings) in 2019 and I got a shot at a buck on Nov. 11 in the morning. (A marginal hit turned that into a very long night and an even longer story)

But the evidence of use on that trail was high, and I would have hunted it without any camera evidence.
28.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
That's interesting.


Remember when the way to determine daytime vs. night-time activity was some black thread strung across a trail, checked twice a day?

The thread had to be black, and you had to check it at the right times. Otherwise it wouldn't work.


Yeah, I only did it a couple of times, too ... LOL
29.) bluecat - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60146]Option A:

You check your trail camera the old-fashioned way by going in and pulling the card. You discover that you have daylight pics of a nice buck and you move in that day or the day after and kill him.

Apparently your intrusion to the woods to check the card went unnoticed or disregarded, whether by luck or skill or a combination of the two.

Option B:

Ding! The bell goes off: You've got mail! You check your cell phone which is always on and always with you. Pics! There's a nice buck visiting the Monster Stand at 8 in the morning or 4 in the afternoon. You climb down out of the Rockin' Chair Stand (so-called because even though you never see anything from it, you always want to sit there because it's so comfy) or you struggle up out of the couch and make the necessary moves toward the jackpot. That afternoon, or the next morning, you kill the buck.

Apparently technology is awesome, and your ability to stay on the cutting edge and slay elusive whitetails won't go unnoticed when you post the pictures to Facebook.

++++

Comments, questions, complaints? --- LOL


:pop:[/QUOTE]


One time I was sitting in my stand in the morning and didn't see any deer. I moved my stand about 75 yards at 10:00 in the morning and that afternoon I killed a deer. Was that legal?
30.) luv2bowhunt - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60163]That's interesting.


Remember when the way to determine daytime vs. night-time activity was some black thread strung across a trail, checked twice a day?

The thread had to be black, and you had to check it at the right times. Otherwise it wouldn't work.


Yeah, I only did it a couple of times, too ... LOL[/QUOTE]


Black thread? You're lucky.

Seriously, I remember when I had one of those things with 5 clocks in it that would stop one at a time when something went by it. I have no idea what I possibly could've learned from it. All I knew was that something got hungry or horny at 2:31 AM and went for a stroll.
31.) luv2bowhunt - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;60166]One time I was sitting in my stand in the morning and didn't see any deer. I moved my stand about 75 yards at 10:00 in the morning and that afternoon I killed a deer. Was that legal?[/QUOTE]

75 yds? You're lucky. We used to have to move our stands 1 3/4 miles at night during a hailstorm just to see a squirrel if we were lucky, and we were thankful for it.
32.) bluecat - 03/02/2020
You saw a squirrel?
33.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;60167]Black thread? You're lucky.

[/QUOTE]

LOL ... + 5 --- You're on a roll ...

[QUOTE=luv2bowhunt;60167] Seriously, I remember when I had one of those things with 5 clocks in it that would stop one at a time when something went by it. I have no idea what I possibly could've learned from it. All I knew was that something got hungry or horny at 2:31 AM and went for a stroll. [/QUOTE]

I was thinking of that thing as I was typing. There was a version that used the thread, too, I think. But I only had two things: one bullet and the thread.

It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi...
34.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;60171]You saw a squirrel?[/QUOTE]

LOL ... +4
35.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;60166]One time I was sitting in my stand in the morning and didn't see any deer. I moved my stand about 75 yards at 10:00 in the morning and that afternoon I killed a deer. Was that legal?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but there's no money in it.

The future is plastic.
36.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
I'm trying to find the video from [I]King Of Queens [/I]where Arthur is telling Doug what they ate when Arthur was young, and how nobody cared about "healthy food" and they all died of heart attacks at 65 (?) and they were "happy about it!"---Or words to that effect... LOL

Not having any luck. Could have sworn I posted it before.

If someone can find it, I'd love to know where it is ... for the future. :-)
37.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
In the meantime :

38.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
I think this pic means you might be able to find one on ebay if you're lucky:

39.) luv2bowhunt - 03/02/2020
Mine was the later version, had 5 clocks I think. No strings either, just had a motion detector that came from Bangladesh.
40.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
You could call "Steve" if you needed technical support ...
41.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
You know why those things aren't around any more? Because it's only the stupid bears that trip the cord ... The deer don't want anything to do with it... It shows that right on the packaging.

(At least I think that's a bear. At first I thought it was a guy setting up the string and the deer was watching him, like in those spoof pictures where the hunter's asleep at the base of the tree and the deer's smelling his boots. Then I figured it was a bear. But now it's looking a little like a fat house cat. --- I need art like this for my man cave.)
42.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60180]You could call "Steve" if you needed technical support ...[/QUOTE]

You might have to put on the Oculus headset ...
43.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
"Could you try that, my friend?" --- LOL
44.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
Aaaand... we lost him ...

LOL
45.) bluecat - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;60175]I'm trying to find the video from [I]King Of Queens [/I]where Arthur is telling Doug what they ate when Arthur was young, and how nobody cared about "healthy food" and they all died of heart attacks at 65 (?) and they were "happy about it!"---Or words to that effect... LOL

Not having any luck. Could have sworn I posted it before.

If someone can find it, I'd love to know where it is ... for the future. :-)[/QUOTE]

Ah, I was actually thinking of that scene as I was reading the post. I'll see if I can find it.
46.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
Looks like we're running two shifts today ...

Now we just need some customers.
47.) bluecat - 03/02/2020
I don't think there is a clip of that scene but from memory, "Back in the day we used to drop dead in our mid-fifties from a massive coronary and we liked it."
48.) bluecat - 03/02/2020
If the cell cam had worked for Jeffrey Epstein this would be a whole different thread.
49.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;60187]I don't think there is a clip of that scene but from memory, "Back in the day we used to drop dead in our mid-fifties from a massive coronary and we liked it."[/QUOTE]

You have a great memory!! Found it:


50.) bluecat - 03/02/2020
Wow, good find. I could not for the life of me bring it up.
51.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
"Coronary" was the key word. I couldn't get anything from "heart attack","healthy food" or "we liked it!" :tap:
52.) Swamp Fox - 03/02/2020
[QUOTE=bluecat;60190]If the cell cam had worked for Jeffrey Epstein this would be a whole different thread.[/QUOTE]