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1.) bluecat - 07/30/2014
Does anyone here use one? Is this a better option than the traditional rod and brush?
2.) Hunter - 07/30/2014
I tried one and didn't like it only because even though it was for the correct caliber, it was too tight a fit through the barrel. So, I took out the brush and then used the revamped snake to wipe barrel.
3.) bluecat - 07/30/2014
I was wondering if you still use solvents when using them and then the snake is contaminated with solvent for any subsequent passess.
How do you clean a revolver without one? Not supposed to enter the barrel from the front with a brush so that makes it kind of a pita if you place rod in gun and then screw on brush when it comes out the action and then back up barrel.
How do you clean a revolver without one? Not supposed to enter the barrel from the front with a brush so that makes it kind of a pita if you place rod in gun and then screw on brush when it comes out the action and then back up barrel.
4.) Ventilator - 07/30/2014
I use the Otis system for my .17 and .22`s
I really like how it works.
I really like how it works.
5.) DParker - 07/30/2014
I have a few (1 for 12 ga, 1 for 20 ga and one for .22). They're convenient if you've gone too long between cleanings and are just looking for quick removal of the top layers of crud in a barrel, but I don't use them for anything other than that...which means I rarely use them, because when I take the time to clean I usually have the time to do a proper job of it.
But I'm not sure I see you'd need one to clean a revolver, nor why one shouldn't insert a brush/bore snake from the muzzle toward the action. That's a good rule when cleaning rifles because you want to avoid pushing stuff out of the barrel and having it fall into the action. But with a revolver you don't have that issue.
But I'm not sure I see you'd need one to clean a revolver, nor why one shouldn't insert a brush/bore snake from the muzzle toward the action. That's a good rule when cleaning rifles because you want to avoid pushing stuff out of the barrel and having it fall into the action. But with a revolver you don't have that issue.
6.) bluecat - 07/30/2014
[QUOTE=DParker;22655]I have a few (1 for 12 ga, 1 for 20 ga and one for .22). They're convenient if you've gone too long between cleanings and are just looking for quick removal of the top layers of crud in a barrel, but I don't use them for anything other than that...which means I rarely use them, because when I take the time to clean I usually have the time to do a proper job of it.
But I'm not sure I see you'd need one to clean a revolver, nor why one shouldn't insert a brush/bore snake from the muzzle toward the action. That's a good rule when cleaning rifles because you want to avoid pushing stuff out of the barrel and having it fall into the action. But with a revolver you don't have that issue.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I've always heard that cleaning should be one directional toward the end of the barrel to avoid crowning (rounding off) the bore.
I just happen to run into a guy that swore by them up and down and said he wouldn't clean his guns with anything else. So I thought I would pose the question.
But I'm not sure I see you'd need one to clean a revolver, nor why one shouldn't insert a brush/bore snake from the muzzle toward the action. That's a good rule when cleaning rifles because you want to avoid pushing stuff out of the barrel and having it fall into the action. But with a revolver you don't have that issue.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I've always heard that cleaning should be one directional toward the end of the barrel to avoid crowning (rounding off) the bore.
I just happen to run into a guy that swore by them up and down and said he wouldn't clean his guns with anything else. So I thought I would pose the question.
7.) DParker - 07/30/2014
[QUOTE=bluecat;22656]Thanks, I've always heard that cleaning should be one directional toward the end of the barrel to avoid crowning (rounding off) the bore.[/QUOTE]
While a valid concern, that is alleviated by being careful when inserting the brush end into the muzzle and using a decent cleaning rod that includes a guide mechanism of some sort. For instance mine integrates a tapered plastic disk that slides up and down the rod so that it can be placed up against the muzzle once the brush is inserted and then act as a rod guide as you clean the bore.
While a valid concern, that is alleviated by being careful when inserting the brush end into the muzzle and using a decent cleaning rod that includes a guide mechanism of some sort. For instance mine integrates a tapered plastic disk that slides up and down the rod so that it can be placed up against the muzzle once the brush is inserted and then act as a rod guide as you clean the bore.
8.) bluecat - 07/30/2014
Thanks, I wondered how crowning would occur if someone was careful. That tapered plastic disk sounds like a good idea.
Not going to worry about the bore snake.
Not going to worry about the bore snake.
9.) DParker - 07/30/2014
[QUOTE=bluecat;22662]Thanks, I wondered how crowning would occur if someone was careful. That tapered plastic disk sounds like a good idea.[/QUOTE]
Avoiding problems when inserting the brush is trivial, but without some sort of guide mechanism it's very easy to bang the rod up against the inside of the muzzle while brushing. I forgot to mention that this problem can also be eliminated by spending a couple of extra bucks on a rod made of graphite (another feature of the one I use) rather than metal. Although many metal rods are painted with enamel the paint eventually chips and/or peels, exposing the bare metal.
Avoiding problems when inserting the brush is trivial, but without some sort of guide mechanism it's very easy to bang the rod up against the inside of the muzzle while brushing. I forgot to mention that this problem can also be eliminated by spending a couple of extra bucks on a rod made of graphite (another feature of the one I use) rather than metal. Although many metal rods are painted with enamel the paint eventually chips and/or peels, exposing the bare metal.
10.) bluecat - 07/30/2014
What brand/model of cleaning kit do you recommend? Thanks again for the help.
11.) DParker - 07/30/2014
[QUOTE=bluecat;22664]What brand/model of cleaning kit do you recommend?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about complete kits, but for components I have one each of [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1903148105/tipton-deluxe-1-piece-cleaning-rod-carbon-fiber-thread?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]Tipton's 12" and 36" (or maybe 40", I don't recall) carbon fiber (not actually graphite, but the same idea) cleaning rods for rifle and pistol[/URL]. But really, any cleaning rod with the features I described (non-metal rod and some sort of guide mechanism) would likely be just as good. There are quite a few, so it shouldn't be hard to find one you like. For the business end of the rod I stayed with Tipton and have their [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/112072/tipton-ultra-cleaning-jag-and-best-bore-brush-set-26-piece-male-thread-nickel-plated-brass-and-bronze?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]brush and jag sets[/URL]. The nickel-plated jags are really nice because nickel is much slicker than brass and still won't mar the bore.
I like Tipton's stuff so much I also got their [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/685691/tipton-rapid-bore-guide-kit?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]"Rapid Bore Guide Kit"[/URL] for cleaning rifles.
I don't know about complete kits, but for components I have one each of [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1903148105/tipton-deluxe-1-piece-cleaning-rod-carbon-fiber-thread?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]Tipton's 12" and 36" (or maybe 40", I don't recall) carbon fiber (not actually graphite, but the same idea) cleaning rods for rifle and pistol[/URL]. But really, any cleaning rod with the features I described (non-metal rod and some sort of guide mechanism) would likely be just as good. There are quite a few, so it shouldn't be hard to find one you like. For the business end of the rod I stayed with Tipton and have their [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/112072/tipton-ultra-cleaning-jag-and-best-bore-brush-set-26-piece-male-thread-nickel-plated-brass-and-bronze?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]brush and jag sets[/URL]. The nickel-plated jags are really nice because nickel is much slicker than brass and still won't mar the bore.
I like Tipton's stuff so much I also got their [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/685691/tipton-rapid-bore-guide-kit?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]"Rapid Bore Guide Kit"[/URL] for cleaning rifles.
12.) Swamp Fox - 07/30/2014
As long as it's one-piece (no separations) and I wipe it down after each pass (both ideas to eliminate running grit back into the barrel on subsequent passes) I don't worry about the cleaning rod too much unless it is whippy metal and no bore guide is available (equally important individual factors and a huge Bozo no-no if combined).
Some knowledgeable shooters use metal rods all day long, but they tend to be harder than aluminum (e.g., stainless steel), wiped constantly, well cared-for and meticulously used (with bore guide, care, etc.).
If I were looking for something, I would prefer it to not be aluminum but as long as it's one-piece, I wipe it constantly, and I don't use it as a file against my gun metal, I could live with aluminum. Think which is harder: gun metal or aluminum? The answer is not license to go nuts with an aluminum rod, but you get the point. You're more likely to do damage with your attachments than you will with a clean aluminum rod.
Fiberglass rods are kind of a no-brainer as long as they're not too whippy. I don't know about real carbon. Seems like a carbon rod would be brittle and subject to picking up/tossing off all sorts of grit if it weren't made properly. Can't speak to rods that really aren't carbon but are referred to as carbon.
Some knowledgeable shooters use metal rods all day long, but they tend to be harder than aluminum (e.g., stainless steel), wiped constantly, well cared-for and meticulously used (with bore guide, care, etc.).
If I were looking for something, I would prefer it to not be aluminum but as long as it's one-piece, I wipe it constantly, and I don't use it as a file against my gun metal, I could live with aluminum. Think which is harder: gun metal or aluminum? The answer is not license to go nuts with an aluminum rod, but you get the point. You're more likely to do damage with your attachments than you will with a clean aluminum rod.
Fiberglass rods are kind of a no-brainer as long as they're not too whippy. I don't know about real carbon. Seems like a carbon rod would be brittle and subject to picking up/tossing off all sorts of grit if it weren't made properly. Can't speak to rods that really aren't carbon but are referred to as carbon.
13.) bluecat - 07/30/2014
Thank you gentlemen.
14.) DParker - 07/30/2014
[QUOTE=bluecat;22680]Thank you gentlemen.[/QUOTE]
That's nice...but what about me and Swampy?
That's nice...but what about me and Swampy?
15.) bluecat - 07/30/2014
How bout I send yous guys some turtle wax and some rice-a-roni?
16.) Swamp Fox - 07/30/2014
LOL...
I remember a long time ago aluminum rods got a bad rap, possibly in a quest for the newest and bestest, but also probably not completely undeserved. Theoretically, they could be shaved by contact with gun metal. Thus the importance of wiping the rod each pass.
Which make me reconsider my "no-brainer" comment about fiberglass. I suppose you could shave fiberglass as well, or pit it, though I'll bet it's more difficult, especially with a good rod.
So, anyway, stock up on cleaning rags, and use them.
I remember a long time ago aluminum rods got a bad rap, possibly in a quest for the newest and bestest, but also probably not completely undeserved. Theoretically, they could be shaved by contact with gun metal. Thus the importance of wiping the rod each pass.
Which make me reconsider my "no-brainer" comment about fiberglass. I suppose you could shave fiberglass as well, or pit it, though I'll bet it's more difficult, especially with a good rod.
So, anyway, stock up on cleaning rags, and use them.
17.) DParker - 07/30/2014
[QUOTE=DParker;22681]That's nice...but what about me and Swampy?[/QUOTE]
Thanks, but I'm still stocked up on consolation prizes. How about...do you know anyone at DirecTV you can talk to about why they didn't send their advertised representative out when I upgraded to "the Genie" last month?
I mean, the recording-5-channels-at-once and multiple-cordless-receivers-anywhere in the house features are nice and all, but....man, talk about disappointed expectations.
Thanks, but I'm still stocked up on consolation prizes. How about...do you know anyone at DirecTV you can talk to about why they didn't send their advertised representative out when I upgraded to "the Genie" last month?
I mean, the recording-5-channels-at-once and multiple-cordless-receivers-anywhere in the house features are nice and all, but....man, talk about disappointed expectations.
18.) Deerminator - 07/30/2014
I like them for my shot guns.
19.) Swamp Fox - 07/30/2014
[QUOTE=DParker;22689] How about...do you know anyone at DirecTV you can talk to about why they didn't send their advertised representative out when I upgraded to "the Genie" last month?[/QUOTE]
'cuz I saw her first...:wink
Congrats on the Genie upgrade. I woulda thought you woulda been an "early adopter." LOL I know there's a lot of other stuff in the Sharper Image catalog, but c'mon! Get your priorities straight. :grin:
The five channels at once thing is huge for me, as is the recording capacity. I am still annoyed that you can't go back and capture a show as far back as 1.5 hours if the TV was off but tuned to that channel. I used to be able to do that with the old receiver and DTV is very shaky on their explanation(s) for why/whether I can't do that now. Receiver on or off doesn't seem to make a difference, at least the last time I checked. I might run a little test tonight just for S&Gs. There was the possibility of a technical update since the last time I wrassled with them about this...or maybe the customer service guy was just blowing smoke up my skirt.
The other thing that I haven't nailed down perfectly is recording series. I get a surprise on whether it happens and/or what's a "new episode" every once in a while.
I'd be interested to see if you find the same thing as I have.
'cuz I saw her first...:wink
Congrats on the Genie upgrade. I woulda thought you woulda been an "early adopter." LOL I know there's a lot of other stuff in the Sharper Image catalog, but c'mon! Get your priorities straight. :grin:
The five channels at once thing is huge for me, as is the recording capacity. I am still annoyed that you can't go back and capture a show as far back as 1.5 hours if the TV was off but tuned to that channel. I used to be able to do that with the old receiver and DTV is very shaky on their explanation(s) for why/whether I can't do that now. Receiver on or off doesn't seem to make a difference, at least the last time I checked. I might run a little test tonight just for S&Gs. There was the possibility of a technical update since the last time I wrassled with them about this...or maybe the customer service guy was just blowing smoke up my skirt.
The other thing that I haven't nailed down perfectly is recording series. I get a surprise on whether it happens and/or what's a "new episode" every once in a while.
I'd be interested to see if you find the same thing as I have.
20.) Deerminator - 07/31/2014
yer talk'n bout my new ex wife
21.) DParker - 07/31/2014
[QUOTE=Deerminator;22696]yer talk'n bout my new ex wife[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;22695]'cuz I saw her first...:wink[/QUOTE]
I admire the spirit, but you'll have to convince her to dump this multi-millionaire now retired New York Yankee for you...
But if it's any consolation, I'm rootin' for one of you.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;22695]Congrats on the Genie upgrade. I woulda thought you woulda been an "early adopter." LOL I know there's a lot of other stuff in the Sharper Image catalog, but c'mon! Get your priorities straight. :grin:[/quote]
Actually, when it comes to that kind of stuff I prefer to let other people ride the bleeding edge and then use their feedback later on to determine whether or not it's worth bothering with.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;22695]The five channels at once thing is huge for me, as is the recording capacity.[/quote]
For me the latter is the nicer feature. The former would be...if I could ever find 5 things that were on at the same time [I]and[/I] worth watching. Though I have had a couple of occasions to record 2 shows and watch a 3rd, which the old box wouldn't handle, so that much is useful.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;22695]I am still annoyed that you can't go back and capture a show as far back as 1.5 hours if the TV was off but tuned to that channel. I used to be able to do that with the old receiver and DTV is very shaky on their explanation(s) for why/whether I can't do that now. Receiver on or off doesn't seem to make a difference, at least the last time I checked. I might run a little test tonight just for S&Gs. There was the possibility of a technical update since the last time I wrassled with them about this...or maybe the customer service guy was just blowing smoke up my skirt.
The other thing that I haven't nailed down perfectly is recording series. I get a surprise on whether it happens and/or what's a "new episode" every once in a while.
I'd be interested to see if you find the same thing as I have.[/QUOTE]
I haven't yet tried to see how far back I can go on a show after just having turned on the receiver, but I'll check on that later if I remember to. As for series recording, I have several series set up to record (first-run only) and haven't had any problems with it not performing properly yet. I'll be on the lookout though.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;22695]'cuz I saw her first...:wink[/QUOTE]
I admire the spirit, but you'll have to convince her to dump this multi-millionaire now retired New York Yankee for you...
But if it's any consolation, I'm rootin' for one of you.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;22695]Congrats on the Genie upgrade. I woulda thought you woulda been an "early adopter." LOL I know there's a lot of other stuff in the Sharper Image catalog, but c'mon! Get your priorities straight. :grin:[/quote]
Actually, when it comes to that kind of stuff I prefer to let other people ride the bleeding edge and then use their feedback later on to determine whether or not it's worth bothering with.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;22695]The five channels at once thing is huge for me, as is the recording capacity.[/quote]
For me the latter is the nicer feature. The former would be...if I could ever find 5 things that were on at the same time [I]and[/I] worth watching. Though I have had a couple of occasions to record 2 shows and watch a 3rd, which the old box wouldn't handle, so that much is useful.
[QUOTE=Swamp Fox;22695]I am still annoyed that you can't go back and capture a show as far back as 1.5 hours if the TV was off but tuned to that channel. I used to be able to do that with the old receiver and DTV is very shaky on their explanation(s) for why/whether I can't do that now. Receiver on or off doesn't seem to make a difference, at least the last time I checked. I might run a little test tonight just for S&Gs. There was the possibility of a technical update since the last time I wrassled with them about this...or maybe the customer service guy was just blowing smoke up my skirt.
The other thing that I haven't nailed down perfectly is recording series. I get a surprise on whether it happens and/or what's a "new episode" every once in a while.
I'd be interested to see if you find the same thing as I have.[/QUOTE]
I haven't yet tried to see how far back I can go on a show after just having turned on the receiver, but I'll check on that later if I remember to. As for series recording, I have several series set up to record (first-run only) and haven't had any problems with it not performing properly yet. I'll be on the lookout though.
22.) Swamp Fox - 07/31/2014
[QUOTE=DParker;22699]I admire the spirit, but you'll have to convince her to dump this multi-millionaire now retired New York Yankee for you...
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23.) bluecat - 07/31/2014
[QUOTE=DParker;22667]I don't know about complete kits, but for components I have one each of [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1903148105/tipton-deluxe-1-piece-cleaning-rod-carbon-fiber-thread?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]Tipton's 12" and 36" (or maybe 40", I don't recall) carbon fiber (not actually graphite, but the same idea) cleaning rods for rifle and pistol[/URL]. But really, any cleaning rod with the features I described (non-metal rod and some sort of guide mechanism) would likely be just as good. There are quite a few, so it shouldn't be hard to find one you like. For the business end of the rod I stayed with Tipton and have their [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/112072/tipton-ultra-cleaning-jag-and-best-bore-brush-set-26-piece-male-thread-nickel-plated-brass-and-bronze?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]brush and jag sets[/URL]. The nickel-plated jags are really nice because nickel is much slicker than brass and still won't mar the bore.
I like Tipton's stuff so much I also got their [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/685691/tipton-rapid-bore-guide-kit?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]"Rapid Bore Guide Kit"[/URL] for cleaning rifles.[/QUOTE]
I have to ask. Are you also using your Tipton setup for your shotguns too? Right now I've got an old wood dowel type setup with brash fittings (the type you see in the display case at Cabelas as "antique"). It works well but if I'm scratching the bore then I need to switch that up too.
I like Tipton's stuff so much I also got their [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com/product/685691/tipton-rapid-bore-guide-kit?cm_vc=ProductFinding"]"Rapid Bore Guide Kit"[/URL] for cleaning rifles.[/QUOTE]
I have to ask. Are you also using your Tipton setup for your shotguns too? Right now I've got an old wood dowel type setup with brash fittings (the type you see in the display case at Cabelas as "antique"). It works well but if I'm scratching the bore then I need to switch that up too.
24.) bluecat - 07/31/2014
[QUOTE=DParker;22699]
For me the latter is the nicer feature. The former would be...if I could ever find 5 things that were on at the same time [I]and[/I] worth watching. Though I have had a couple of occasions to record 2 shows and watch a 3rd, which the old box wouldn't handle, so that much is useful.[/QUOTE]
Really? So when Sharknado, Duck Dynasty, Cops, Finding Bigfoot and pretty much everything that is on the history channel are all on at the same time, what do you do?
For me the latter is the nicer feature. The former would be...if I could ever find 5 things that were on at the same time [I]and[/I] worth watching. Though I have had a couple of occasions to record 2 shows and watch a 3rd, which the old box wouldn't handle, so that much is useful.[/QUOTE]
Really? So when Sharknado, Duck Dynasty, Cops, Finding Bigfoot and pretty much everything that is on the history channel are all on at the same time, what do you do?
25.) DParker - 07/31/2014
[QUOTE=bluecat;22704]I have to ask. Are you also using your Tipton setup for your shotguns too? Right now I've got an old wood dowel type setup with brash fittings (the type you see in the display case at Cabelas as "antique"). It works well but if I'm scratching the bore then I need to switch that up too.[/QUOTE]
You're supposed to clean your shotguns? :shocked:
But seriously folks....:::rim-shot:::
As long as you're being careful, and the fittings really are brass then you're probably not doing any harm to your bore, so I wouldn't worry about that. But the answer to your question is a qualified "yes" I do use the longer Tipton cleaning rod, but the brush and jag kits contain pistol and rifle caliber sizes only, so the 12 ga and 20 ga brushes and jags were bought separately (I don't recall which brand(s), but any decent bronze/nylon brush will do).
[QUOTE=bluecat;22705]Really? So when Sharknado, Duck Dynasty, Cops, Finding Bigfoot and pretty much everything that is on the history channel are all on at the same time, what do you do?[/QUOTE]
Pour myself a bourbon, open up the laptop and commence surfing.
You're supposed to clean your shotguns? :shocked:
But seriously folks....:::rim-shot:::
As long as you're being careful, and the fittings really are brass then you're probably not doing any harm to your bore, so I wouldn't worry about that. But the answer to your question is a qualified "yes" I do use the longer Tipton cleaning rod, but the brush and jag kits contain pistol and rifle caliber sizes only, so the 12 ga and 20 ga brushes and jags were bought separately (I don't recall which brand(s), but any decent bronze/nylon brush will do).
[QUOTE=bluecat;22705]Really? So when Sharknado, Duck Dynasty, Cops, Finding Bigfoot and pretty much everything that is on the history channel are all on at the same time, what do you do?[/QUOTE]
Pour myself a bourbon, open up the laptop and commence surfing.
26.) bluecat - 07/31/2014
Sounds good. I'm on it.
27.) Swamp Fox - 07/31/2014
If you're looking for firearms cleaning tools/accessories/gadgets and cool stuff you never knew they made for things that go BANG!, you should browse Brownell's if you are not familiar with them already.
I also find Cabelas is fairly well stocked with up--to-date cleaning gear.
I also find Cabelas is fairly well stocked with up--to-date cleaning gear.
28.) DParker - 07/31/2014
Oh, yeah...Brownell's is great for this kind of stuff.
29.) Deerminator - 07/31/2014
:ban:enough of the cleanig;--LETS DO SOME SHOOT'N!!!!!:hb: